Today I present my continuing analysis with part 2 of Sebastian Gorka’s conversation with Sam Sorbo on her radio show, broadcast on 10-19-15. I’ve done a fairly close-to–verbatim transcription for you to follow, with my comments inserted. Part 1 is here. Part 2 begins at approximately 1:17.20 on the video timer. Click on the following link to listen.
Sorbo: There’s a piece up on Breitbart that postulates that (Russian) airstrikes (in Syria) may be strengthening ISIS. Can you explain that?
Gorka: What’s really going on on the ground and how the Putin administration is misrepresenting – why did the Russians deploy? What is the motivation and it has been painted, especially by Russian media, but unfortunately the Western media is picking it up as well, that they are there to crush ISIS, that Putin is a good guy. He’s more the statesman than Obama ever was and we need to understand that he’s the jihadists’ worst nightmare. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. We have to understand that this former KGB colonel is there because Assad is one of his friends, and like him runs an autocratic quasi-dictatorial regime. And he wants to support his friend. But not against the jihadists. The jihadists are a very convenient excuse, a cover, if you will…
So, Dr. Gorka wants us to believe that the Russians are not there to eliminate the ISIS jihadists – just all the rest of them? How do we know who is who in this mess? They’re all Muslims, including Bashir Assad. Which gang of jihadis is which? ISIS? Al Qaida? They’re all reading the same playbook. It’s called the Quran.
…If you look at what is happening on the ground, and there are a couple of places that are actually reporting the truth. I strongly recommend to your listeners The Long War Journal, Bill Roggio’s and Tom Jocelyn’s superb website, The Long War Journal. But if you look at what targeting is, what’s actually occurring, they’re attacking those people who four years ago weren’t jihadis, but just didn’t like Assad and wanted to remove him from power. And that’s the real crux of the matter…
How would anyone in the West know what is really happening on the ground in any war-torn Muslim state? So, the Russians are attacking jihadis, who four years ago didn’t used to be jihadis, but they are now? How do we know who was a jihadi and who wasn’t a jihadi four years ago? Did our CIA guys go in there and interview them before and after they became jihadis? I’m just asking. By the way, the highest calling of any Muslim is to wage holy war in the way of Allah. It’s called jihad. And the soldiers are called jihadis.
…They will take out the a-political, sorry, the a-religious, the secular opposition to Assad to such a degree that ISIS is now expanding in the region of Aleppo, captured six towns recently because the anti-Assad forces have been attacked by the Russian bomber jets…
Well, now. According to the ever-reliable Wikipedia, 90% of the Syrian people are Muslims. That leaves 10% non-Muslim. We have no way of knowing how many thousands of those non-Muslims the ISIS jihadis have already slaughtered, but it’s a safe bet the numbers of non-Muslims today are fewer than two years ago. Dr. Gorka wants us to believe that the Russian are singling out only the 10% non-Muslims for air strikes? (They’re secular and a-political, mind you.) That’s a good trick, if you can pull it off.
…And what I expect in about three months’ time is the international community will be presented with a fait accompli. Russia will say to the world, look, there’s two options left. The moderates have gone, so when it comes to the future of this country, you can choose between Assad and ISIS, ’cause ISIS is still gonna be on the ground…
The moderates have gone. You mean the moderates who are waging war (do moderates actually wage revolutionary war?) and trying to overthrow Assad? But they’re not Muslim jihadis and they’re a-political. Those moderates?
Look. In the Middle East (but not in Israel) it has always been a choice between two evils:
*The Shariah-lite strongmen, like the late Mustafa Kemal Attaturk in Turkey, the late Shah of Iran, the late Saddam Hussein of Iraq, Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, the late Moammar Ghadaffi in Libya and, yes, Bashir Assad in Syria.
*Or you can choose the alternative real deal jihadi-style Shariah of pure Islam, which always roils and boils beneath the surface in places like what’s currently going on in Syria.
Take your pick. Those are always the two choices. It’s ugly. But that’s it. That’s all there is. There are no Thomas Jeffersons in Muslim states. They’re Muslims.
…And, of course, what are we gonna say? We’re gonna say, well he’s not a good guy, but he’s better than ISIS, so Assad has to stay. This is the game plan, to recreate a beach head in the Middle East, to reinforce your friends, and to use ISIS as a smokescreen. And the sooner we wake up to that, the better…
Dr. Gorka gets one thing right, finally. Assad is better than ISIS. And he’s better than the rest of the jihadis who are trying to overthrow him, too. ISIS is no convenient smokescreen for the Russians. ISIS is another jihad outfit. It’s like a game of Whack-A-Mole. You eliminate one jihad group and another soon surfaces to take its place.
T-h-i-s i-s I-s-l-a-m. Internecine Muslim wars have been fought over power for centuries upon centuries.
Sorbo: So. But. Okay. I missed the transition. I know that Assad’s a bad guy. So was Saddam Hussein, but we kinda opened a hornets’ nest when we took out Saddam Hussein. Mainly because we should have foreseen that we didn’t have the tenacity to stay, similar to Viet Nam. At this point we should learn from our own mistakes and say, okay, you know what? We don’t have the tenacity to stay. But you know Nancy Pelosi, against the will of the Administration, flew over to meet with Assad. So, what’s…
Actually, we’d have been much better off if we never sent our troops in there as occupational forces in the first place. Jeffersonian democracy is incompatible with the Muslims’ mindset. As to Nancy Pelosi meeting with Assad (against Mr. Obama’s wishes), Assad, who is now a persona non grata: Remember this one?
Gorka: Right. It’s not just about the tenacity to stay. I completely agree. When we look at Aghanistan, let alone Iraq, the commitment really is something that, we’ve sold ourselves as a country that doesn’t commit any more. We’ll go in, we’ll break the china and we’ll go home if things get a little bit difficult. But it’s deeper than that. It’s about strategy, being strategic is about the art of the possible. Not what I want, not the ideal, but what’s possible. And from the very beginning, four years ago, what was the article of faith of this administration when it came to Syria, specifically? The bottom line was, the non-negotiable article of faith was Assad must go. Whatever happens, Assad must go. And you just ask yourself a very simple question four years ago and every year since that: If Assad enjoys the control, enjoys the support of two nuclear nations in the Security Council of the United Nations, and that’s Russia and China, he’s not going anywhere.
Well, if Putin has his way, Assad will stay in power. And Putin will kill a lot of jihadis, despite what Dr. Gorka thinks Putin is doing. It sounds to me like Dr. Gorka is okay with getting rid of Assad, and that he actually believes this imaginary tiny minority of a-political, non-religious, secular moderate rebel forces could get the job done if Putin would just stay out of the way.
Sorbo: Well, Iran. We have to throw Iran in there. Cause they’re basically nuclear.
Gorka: Yes. Iran as well. But if that’s the reality, what are we talking about as a nation, as a government? He’s not budging an inch.
Yes. What are we talking about here? I got lost in the crowd of moderate jihadis.
Gorka: And it’s not just that he has the support . Now we’ve got two-thousand Russian special forces on the ground to make sure he stays there. And what are we talking about? What’s the President talking about? How Russia is acting out of weakness. Well, let me tell you. Assad doesn’t think he’s acting out of weakness. And neither do the people on the ground.
Sorbo: Right. no…Thanks Seb Gorka for coming on the show….
And that’s what we get in the way of wisdom from Dr. Sebastian Gorka.